Spill It! Podcast | Is There Such a Thing as a "One Size Fits All" Planning System? w/ Megan Seeley

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Everyone and their momma seems to have “the perfect planning system that will make your life amazing and your business super profitable”… but do those systems really work for everyone? Megan pulls out all the stops in this episode where we chat personality types, tendencies, and how we can put together planning systems for ourselves that truly do work.


2:27 | Our thoughts on if there are any planning methods out there that truly work for everyone
4:08 | Do I believe that my own planning methods work for everyone?
5:20 | How to use your personality type as a compass for your own planning method
6:35 | How knowing your personality type opens your eyes to your planning strengths and weaknesses
9:52 | The quiz you can use to find your planning method
12:03 | What it means to plan like a rebel
24:17 | How planning like a rebel and authenticity go hand in hand
36:47 | How to start planning like a rebel yourself



Meet Megan Seeley

Megan Seeley, is a small-town Michigan mom, wife, planning fairy godmother, and host of the Plan Like a Rebel Podcast with big dreams of helping women find freedom through planning.

Most days, you’ll find her in yoga pants, binge-watching Hallmark movies on one screen and working away on the other with a cup of coffee or 4. She's a true crime lover, horizontal stripes aficionado, and luxury bath time champion (ask her about her buffalo wings bath sometime).

Full Episode Transcription:

Hey, I'm Alex. And this is the spirit podcast where modern day online business owners, CEOs and creative masterminds come together to dish their true opinions on the common business trends, strategies and mindsets that fill your feed and your inbox every single day. We know that you're over the fluff, and you want business advice based on experience, not trends. But there's so many strategies out there. How are you to know what actually works? And what's total BS? Let's find out. Oh, my goodness, guys, today's episode is a fun one I have on one of my friends, Megan Seeley, and we are chatting all about planning systems because I know that there are so many different planning methods being thrown at you every single day by different entrepreneurs out there. Heck, I'm even one of them, right? All of these people are telling us that their planning method is the only planning method that is going to work or that it is going to be the ticket to success or whatever to be more productive, right, all of these different things. So I have on Megan today, we're talking about how your personality type can play into creating a planning system that works best for you how to plan like a rebel, which is like music to my ears and speaks directly to my soul. So we chat and have such a good time on this episode. So you're in for a treat. Today on the show, we have fellow podcaster and the internet's Fairy Godmother for planning Megan Sealy, welcome to the show. Megan. Thanks, Alex. So happy to be here. Okay, okay, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit more about you and your business? All right, well, so I'm Meghan, my business is called the goal designer. And I've been doing the whole online business owner thing since 2017. And basically, I teach my clients and customers how to plan like a rebel, which means kind of taking any of you type A overachievers out there, and teaching you how to let go loosen up a little bit. And any of you type, be creative, free thinkers out there to tighten it up and take more control in your life. Oh, my gosh, I love everything that you just said. Oh, and I think that this episode is going to be so good for, for kind of what you stand behind in your business too. So I'm going to kind of like drop the topic here that we're going to be diving deeper into, and then I'll let you kind of tell us your thoughts about it. And then we'll go back and forth. So everyone and their mom and their dog and their 12 year old, it seems like in the online business space has like developed some sort of a planning method that they claim to be the one and only system that will finally help you know, organize, implement, stay on track, be more productive, etc, etc. Right? So, for the topic of this episode, I really want to talk about our thoughts on these one and done systems. So are there really any planning methods out there that you think could work for every single person? Mine? No, I'm just joking. No, there's none. Just a little plug? No, no, in reality, I actually don't think so. I there's what I'm finding is that people think that their way because it works for them, and it works for their audience, that that's the way that it works for everybody. But that's not the case. Because I mean, think about it. We're so different. We're so different. Everybody has different perspectives, different experiences, different strengths, different weaknesses, so no, I don't think so. And you know, for a long time, I had my one way that I did things, and that worked for me and my audience, and I was in that same boat. So I can't make too much fun. But definitely on the other side of that know, for certain that no, there's not one way to do it for everybody. Oh, my gosh, I totally agree. And I I'm kind of in the same camp where like, I have a planning system, like I have a membership that I sell to my audience based off of a certain planning system. But do I think that it's going to work for every single human out there? No. And that's okay. And I think that we need to create systems that are adaptable to, to multiple different types of people. Don't you agree? Yes. Oh, absolutely. I think you see the rise of all these kind of personality type based things going around? Like, I don't know, if you're part of marketing personalities before or Yeah, yeah. And you know, like the brand archetypes, K. Putnam. So there's all these things that are kind of gearing more and more I feel like toward catering to personality types so that you're not ever gonna really have every single person, of course, but I think you're able to get a little bit closer to home with these. Totally. And do you? Do you have any tips for how we could actually use different personality tests and different things like that, to help us figure out different planning methods that may work for us as our individual selves? Yeah, so. So for me, I kind of like to use a combination. So the four tendencies from Gretchen Rubin, the Graham and then the Myers Briggs. So I think those are really three great systems to to learn more about yourself. Because the four tendencies is going to tell you how you react to inner and outer expectations, which is part of planning, right? So expectation management of yourself, as far as what you do when when you do it. So I'm kind of having a grasp on kind of what which of the four tendencies you are, will be helpful for that. The any agreements going to tell you what your core motivator is? So So kind of what's going to drive you to do something or not do something, which again, how many people and maybe even you are like, you know, I say, I'm going to do something? And I just don't i don't know why. Whoever said that, I mean, grams are really good place for you to look to kind of figure out really, really just sorry, I had to cut you off. Yes, that's exactly how I feel. So I've been any a Grimm seven. So that's like my life mantra of starting something being like, go full force into it. And then like, halfway through it, I'm like, Oh, wait, hold on. There's something else over here. So, yes, yes, exactly. But to put you know that about yourself, and so once you know that you can know, okay, I'm not motivated by like, the eye on the prize way, at the end of the tunnel, you're like, I'm not going to get to that end of the tunnel, if I don't have it, like a million in one steps that I can take in between them that are fun. And that will make me feel good. Right? So So that's something and then the Myers Briggs tells you how you approach the world in general, introvert or extrovert, you know, are you a judge? Or a perceive? Or, or are you more like right brain, right brain left brain like that kind of stuff. So I really like to use a combination of those three things. And to me, that just makes the most sense. So you kind of find that little trifecta that little like Delta, in between all the three. That's kind of like the perfect sweet spot that I found. So is this something that you personally have used for yourself too, because I'm totally all over this, like using multiple personality tests and combining them all. So that way you can figure out kind of like your secret sauce for yourself. So is that something that you've done for yourself as well as your clients? It is? Yes, yeah. So I started with myself. So that was helpful. And my clients, I love doing that for my clients, because it's just super fun to kind of get on a call and be like, here's exactly what I know about you. It's a very nice deal. Part of what I do, currently, Oh, my gosh, I totally do the same thing. I mean, we've focused more on the Myers Briggs, I'm not super familiar with four tendencies. So maybe we can go in a little bit deeper on to that one, too. But yes, I think that even just focusing in on one of those personality types is going to help you learn so much about yourself, it's going to help you learn how you work in your business, how you run in your day to day life, it's going to help you figure out how to create more of like, self care for yourself. Because we hear every day from multiple different places we have, you know, in our inbox in our social media feeds all of these different people telling us all of these one ways to do things. Whereas if we can kind of learn ourselves a little bit more, we might be able to pick out the ones that are actually true for us. Yes, also barf to all the self care, can we just say that because people are gonna buy? How many times are you like, you should take care of yourself, you should put yourself first you got to do this, you have to put your own oxygen mask on. And as far as I can tell, there's nobody out there who's like, here's exactly how you do it. Mm hmm. Right. Everybody, I think intellectually knows, yeah, I need to take care of myself. But this but that, but that, and I just I feel like there's not a lot of addressing the bus there. So true. So true. So okay, tell me a little bit more about if somebody was like, first trying to figure out how they can, you know, use their their personality types in these different areas to figure out specifically a planning system, right? So that's what we're talking about today? How can they kind of figure out the different planning systems that may work better for them based off of their personality type. So that would be my quiz. So that's the goal designer.com slash quiz plug. And that's going to kind of tell you, which way that you approach planning. So whether it's from your head, your heart or your gut, so it's going to tell you whether you are more intuitive with planning. So like Alex, I would bet that you are more of an intuitive planner, like what what feels like the right thing to do right now, you know, rather than this, this logically is the right thing to do. Because even if you could know that your gut might be like, No, honey, don't do that today. So true. Whereas like, I would be in the heart. So it's like, how does that make me feel to do this right now? And then we've got kind of our logical thinkers who are in their brain, like, what is the facts say about it. And so the quiz is going to kind of put you into those three camps. And that's a really good start for you to actually go forward and figure out, Okay, how can I approach planning from this way, because I found like those three kind of centers, and I'm taking those from the Graham, but I'm finding that those encompass the bits of the four tendencies and the bits of the Myers Briggs that matters the most when it comes to planning. And because just knowing that about yourself, you're not going to try to logic, your way into action. If you're in the gut center, and you're not going to try to feel your way into thinking something if you're in the heart center, you know, so so I just I found that that that's the best place to start. I'm biased. But that's where I've been really finding a lot of be biased, created something that's helpful, like, you should be shouting it from the rooftops. And I think that that sounds like such an amazing resource. So I'm going to drop that link in the show notes as well. So that way, our listeners can can head over there, and they can go take your quiz, because I think that that's something that honestly, I'm going to go do after we hop off this interview, because it sounds awesome. And I'm totally on board with all of the personality typing and all of that stuff. Because you know, we are all different. And there's there isn't any one way. So, you know, I want to talk a little bit more about you were talking about like planning like a rebel, which again, because I have to bring up any Agrium seven, that's like totally me, like, how can I do this in a way that like, nobody else does it right. So just kind of like brain dump all of your thoughts behind that, because I just think that's such like brilliant branding. But I also think that it's going to really touch on the heartstrings of a lot of entrepreneurs because we all start our businesses almost in a way to rebel against the norm. Right. So So dive into that. Yeah, okay, so it kind of came about as I was teaching my original planning system that was this, not quite one size fits all approach, but definitely not as free as it is now. And I was realizing every time I'm talking to clients and telling them to take things off their plate to clear their calendar to clear their schedule, to keep things open. For possibilities to have kind of a to do list, instead of being like the thing to strive for to have it just be more of a menu to choose from, for whatever feels the best in the moment. Or if you're a gut person, whatever seems like it would be the best choice or if you're a head person, whichever logically makes the most sense to you. And I was just finding that I had people who were these very type a wound up every second of every day is planned out to the tee and and wondering why in the world, they were failing every day, all the time, or at least feeling like they were failing. And then on the other point, I had people who were I mean, so NU Graham type sevens are totally kind of notorious for just being not flaky at all, but really just following whatever feels good one, you know, doesn't any grand, I'm allowed to say, Hey, you know, you're the sevens tend to be the people who have maybe a little bit too much freedom a little bit too much open space and and need to corral that a little bit. And it was finding that on both sides of the coin, this concept of planning, like a rebel, which came from the four tendencies is, that's one of the tendencies. It's a rebel tendency. And that's kind of the way that I developed for my rebels to plan was realizing that this is the way that works for both sides of the coin. And if you're more of a type a person, we focus more on getting your schedule cleared. And if you're more of a Type B person, we focus more on making sure your to do list has things that are actually useful to you. And so that's kind of where the concept came about. And it came to me in my sleep, every good business thing I've thought I was come to me in a dream. I swear to God, which is just insane. That's awesome. Maybe I did my offerings did this did so I'm like, anytime I dream about something business. I'm like, well, this has to happen now. Yeah, keep a notebook by your bed. Yeah, I always get my end in the bathtub for some reason. So nice. Yes. So that's kind of where that came from. And it's like the phrase plan, like a rebel just like stuck out to me. And I texted one of my clients, who's also a friend, and she is a rebel. And I was like, how does that feel? And she was like, I just got tingles. And I was like, perfect. And that's how you know it's a winner. And I love this idea. Because I think that a lot of times, we think of like, rebels or rebellious personality types, you know, for still talking about that is like one small sect of the human race, right? Like there is like, there's one group that's more rebellious than others. But if we actually think about what you're saying, you're basically saying that every single type of us has a not a rebellious tendency, but there is a, there is something that we could do to rebel against what feels maybe natural to us to help us elevate and succeed in a different new way than what we would normally innately try to do. Yes, I think rebels have it, right. I think the rest of us are, are who are messed up, honestly. Because when you I don't know, I feel like rebels are the people who everybody kind of wants to dump on like, oh, you're not normal, you're not doing things the way that everybody else does. And I think rebels kind of get a little bit beaten down by that because they're like, I don't feel like I fit in. I don't feel like I am doing things the right way. But I don't know how to do it any other way, like a cannot do it. Then quote unquote, normal way. And And honestly, I think the they're brilliant human beings. And I think that we could all stand to be a little bit more like our rebels out there. And you know, every time I talked to a rebel, they light up a little bit, because they're like, nobody ever is really like talking to us. Especially with somebody planning, like nobody ever talks to us. I'm pretty sure people just assume that they aren't going to be good at planning if they're rebels, because they're not planners, it's like that you don't have to be a planner to plan. And yeah, I don't know, I think they're geniuses and I am really pumped to incorporate more of that attitude into mainstream planning. That is so amazing. And I think that that's, that's so it's, it's such a thing that we need to talk about specifically, like, now, because it is a thing where there's this whole entire group of people that have felt not necessarily less than, but they felt like they, they haven't been able to do a certain thing, because it's maybe a societal norm or whatever, right? And they're like, No, I'm not going to be able to plan well, because that's the way that I've been pegged. Whereas you're just saying that, you know, you could be type A, or type B or a rebel or not, or whatever. And you just have to figure out what works for you, which I think is amazing. So how would you say that? type A's can kind of tap into that type B side of them and vice versa. So I think type is definitely could use a little bit more of the schedule, flexibility. So that's where I really recommend if you're somebody who has your hours planned out every single day, all day long, stop doing that the only thing that should actually be planned out with a time and a date are your self care. So like whatever. And it doesn't need to be like working out and eating right and blah, blah, it doesn't need to be the raw raw bullshit. It needs to be like the what was really good for you to do. What is that? Like? If you ask yourself the question, what would be really good for me right now? Now what would feel good? Not what might be good? should be good. But what would be good for me right now. That's how you do self care in my world. You know, because some days you're like, yeah, I want to move my body Some days I want to eat right. Some days, I want to whatever, some days, I want to sit in the bathtub and drink. And that's okay. That self care to know totally, and I'm so on board with that as well. Because I think a lot of times people you know, specifically around like being healthy, working out, you know, doing those sorts of things, they feel like in order to reach a certain goal of feeling like they have given themselves the right amount of self care in a certain week, it has to be like, Oh, I got up every single day at 6am and I went to the gym, whereas some days you need extra sleep and that is your self care. Like you can sleep in a little bit that day. And that's okay, because it's actually what your body needed more than the working out. Or, you know, whatever. It could also be like I was reading your your bio that you sent me and I want to hear more about your chicken wing bath because it sounds really similar to what I've done in the past. So exciting. Okay, so. Okay, so I'm the four tendencies. I'm an upholder, which is somebody who can meet their own expectations and other people's expectations. Like basically, if I decide I want to do it, I'm going to do it. And part of taking care of yourself as an upholder. What appeals to us is something called stalking. And I don't know if that's what it's actually called. But that's what I've been calling it a stalking. So just having like layers of different things that feel really good at the same time. So like, like things that hit all the different senses, so my my buffalo wings, and I can't eat them anymore. Well, I guess I could eat regular I don't eat gluten anymore. But basically, I pour myself a glass of wine, I put it in a coffee mug so I don't spill because I'm always spilling. I get my buffalo wings, I put a bath in as hot as it'll go. I drop in a bath bomb. And I put on some sort of true crime podcast. And I just like relax until the water gets cold and it is the most luxurious feeling in the whole world. Like I don't know why and people think I'm so gross for it. But eating in the bathtub just feel so stupid. Good. And I don't know why that is. Oh, God. Okay, I feel like we're like soul sisters. Because I literally do almost point four point the same thing. Except I get fried chicken, Popeye's, fried chicken. And I usually watch some sort of like, teeny bopper, like Pretty Little Liars or something. But yes, that's exactly what I do to it. There is something so therapeutic about it. I could not put like, actual words to why. But all of it like you were talking about the stalking and I need to go take this for tendencies, test or something because I need to figure out what what that's all about. Because literally everything you just said, I'm like, Ah, yeah, that's what I do. That's amazing. I feel so validated right now you have no idea. I just love that you included it in the bio that you sent me. And it's totally going up on the show notes. Because when I read it, I was like, Okay, first of all, this is like me, and she just said something that I do. But then second of all you were so like, yeah, that's just me, I'm just gonna put it all out there. Yes. As a service based business owner, you love your clients and the work you do for them. But the admin tasks like onboarding, invoicing and sending contracts. That's what's overwhelming and tedious. But with honey book, you can automate the client relationship process, say goodbye to manually following up with leads asking for payments and keeping tabs on project progress. Honey book does it all and on autopilot so you can focus more on the work you want to do, and less on the work you think you have to do. Since switching to honey book myself, I have seen a 43% increase in lead conversion. And I've gotten so much time back in my schedule. So now I use that time to focus on one thing on my clients instead of drowning and paperwork and bookkeeping tasks. Oh, that's right. 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And I think that we can all really relate to that, you know, this vision of like, so most of the people in the planning community that I've come across, or the goal setting community or whatever you would want to call it are middle class, like upper middle class, mid, early to mid 30s white women in the south, and like Christian and like this very specific subset of women, um, which is fine and nothing against them. But that's like, that's not me. I mean, I am white. But I'm, you know, that's it. And as far as the similarities go, Well, I guess I'm in my 30s. But regardless, I'm definitely I was putting on a more a more polished veneer, I guess you could say, of what I thought people would want to see. And I've been kind of on my own journey of discovering my own inner inner rebel and I've just been like, you know, whatever. I swear, my hair is blue and purple right now. I drink sometimes I you know, whatever. I eat buffalo wings and fast like, Who cares? I love it. Yes, and I love that too. That is so something that like, I think it's so important for I mean, I and we're kind of going off topic, but I don't even care. Because this is just something that I'm so passionate about. I think that specifically online business owners, but business owners in general, tapping into who you are at your core. And showcasing that through your business is what is going to create your secret sauce. And that is what is going to set you apart from every other person. And if we kind of couple that with what we're talking about today, that's how you figure out how to actually make all of that work for you in a system where you can plan and implement and be more productive. Yes, exactly. So you know, if your true self is lazy, AF, that's fine. own that. Make that part of your brand, but plan for that so that you don't actually not do the things that you need to do to grow your business. Yes, totally. And I think that there's something to be said about the fact that like, you can show up just as your you are just like you said, if you are super lazy, like that doesn't mean that you can't have a successful business. Like, you know, you hear about like the hustle lifestyle, and you have to like wake up early and stay late and like don't close your laptop and always be available and like all of these these things that I so don't stand behind at all. But you can be lazy and make that work for you. It just means that your schedule looks a little bit different. And maybe you outsource sooner, and maybe you just work differently than the person that sits next to you. Yep. Oh, totally. I think too, there's something to be said about the whole authenticity, Authenticity, kind of movement that's coming through, speaks to my soul. But also, I think that a lot of us are getting caught up in being semi authentic. So I mean, and I was very guilty of that for a long time of just being like, I'm going to show you the parts of myself that are my true self that I think that you want to see. And I'm not going to show you the other parts, which is fine that I mean, there's also something to be said about some privacy in business, especially when you're the face of your own brand. But I think to really truly lean into authenticity, I think you really need to lean into all of it. And and that's okay. Oh my gosh, I so relate to that. I know that when I first started Lady and company, and honestly before that, when I had a little YouTube channel that I tried to make into a business that was like, Oh my gosh, six years ago, um, but yeah, like the the showcasing of the the sparkly parts of me that I liked, and hiding the rest of it, or trying to be what I felt like my audience was seeking. And not truly who I was at the core of it all like, I mean, I talked about, like, all of the like, the self care and the like. I don't know, like all that like touchy feely stuff. And while that's definitely a piece of me, I am way more about just like, show up as who you are. And let's embrace that. And let's make that into something amazing. Instead of it being like, steps 123 to you know, whatever about self care that I so don't care about anymore, because it's a whole bunch of BS. But But yeah, so I so feel that and so do you feel like or? No, let me let me ask frame this question in a different way. How are you using kind of like the rebel mentality that you've been able to create within yourself to step into what you're calling, you know, more of that like authentic self in your life in your business. So definitely being a little bit more risque with my language. Which is great for me, because I swear like a sailor, a sailor people and I had been trying really hard not to, I also have a three and a half year old. So that's something that I try not to, but I'm more just have moved even in there to learn and kind of swear in context, and in their appropriate places. But I definitely have just kind of let them that part go a little bit and also trying to be perfectly poised and growing on on Instagram all the time. I let that go. I think I have gone this month. Well, I guess it's only the eighth, but I was posting like three times a day on Instagram for a long time. And yeah, I know it was worth the time No, and I totally burned myself out on it. And I just straight didn't post for a whole week or just letting myself be whatever I need to be in any given moment. And that's been helping me a lot. So like with my podcast, I just went through a rebrand with it. And I was like, I'm gonna get this out, I want to have like a freebie I want to do this, I want to do that. And I was like, I was just on vacation. Like, I am not motivated. Like, I mean, today, I have an hour left in my work day. So I'm not doing jack shit today. And I'm just you know, it's fine. It doesn't matter. We put a lot of pressure on ourselves to have be make certain deadlines, which if you're working for a client, of course, you need to meet those, but we put our own internal deadlines on the back end, that are so arbitrary. And somewhere along the way, we get it into our heads that they're not arbitrary. Or like if we told somebody we were going to have this out, and then we didn't. It's a big deal. But it's not because nobody really gives a shit about you except for you. On fact, no, I yeah, I so agree with that. Because we didn't, we again, we are constantly being bombarded with all of these different strategies, right? Somebody is telling us over here that we need to be posting three fucking times a day on Instagram. And then somebody over here is then also telling us that we need to be like sending out an email to our email list every single week. And and we need to be doing a podcast and we need to be writing a blog. And we need to be like, Oh, my God, like all of these things. And so no wonder we believe them because they're constantly being thrown at us. And then we literally burn ourselves out and make ourselves feel like we're not being, you know, successful enough, or we're not working hard enough. Whereas I mean, are you kidding me? There are times where I don't post on Instagram for like two weeks at a time. Do I lose a single follower? literally never. Oh, it's never had I have just lost about 100 in the last week that I haven't been posted. Know when you oh my gosh, I. But also, I wonder why? Because their boss or something stupid. They don't actually matter. Like I it's hard not to get attached to the numbers like that. Because I'm like, yeah, if you want to follow me, but it's like you're a bot because if I haven't been posting, you haven't been paying attention to me, which means I haven't said something that you want to not see. Well, exactly. Because if you're not showing up in their feed, they're not thinking about No. So they're not like, oh, let me go. All right. So yeah, no, it's totally as it is totally separate from, from you or from you know, whoever it is, that's not taking time to post like those people were going to be gone regardless of if you write something or not. So one thing, too is like celebrating on follows, which is a little bit weird. I don't celebrate them necessarily. But I especially on my email list. When I see people unsubscribe from something, I'm like, good, good riddance, I don't want to pay for you. If you don't want to be here, especially, interestingly enough, kind of stepping into the more scary not put together version of me. And my emails, I've gotten the fewest unsubscribed I've ever gotten, like per email, like I've dropped significantly significantly. Because, you know, I mean, everybody gets on subscribes every single email, but it's like significantly like the first time I sent one out, that was very much. Not pretty normal. I was we're bracing for the mass on subscribes then there was one person. Like what? Okay. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. First of all, everybody is human, like, you're just as human as the person that you're sending your stuff out to. So, you know, you probably connected with these these people in a totally new and different way than you never had before. And maybe they even felt more seen. And secondly, I'm shit, I just totally lost my train of thought it will come back to me, I swear. No, listen to me, like after the fact, I'm going to be like sending you an email be like, Oh my gosh, you just remember that. But no, I mean, Oh, I remember what it was. Here we go. Um, it's that you, that means that you have cultivated your community in a way. That is that was unknowingly authentic to you. Which I think that that a lot of people do. And there's so many scared to like, show up on video for the first time or to swear or do whatever right for the first time. And then when they finally do it, and they don't get more than like the one SUBSCRIBE, like, said, they're like, Oh, wait, people actually see me for me. Like it's okay for me to show up as myself. Yeah, well, and then you're attracting people, you are attracting people to you rather than you putting out a vibe, that, how do I want it? How do you know what I'm trying to say though, right? Like you're not trying to find people that you think fit into this thing that you have, you're just be showing up consistently as consistently as you can. doing your own thing. And the people that resonate with you are going to stick around. And like it's like, did you ever play category category gamma See? On the show? I have no idea. Okay, so it's just like, I think it's from Japan or Korea, but it's like this, it was this PlayStation game though. It was like mainstream. And and you start out as this like little thing. And you just roll over a whole bunch of stuff in levels, and you turn into this giant ball just like made of different components of just like random things and like a city. God, okay, so I think it's similar to that in business where like, we're just like, the tiny person when we're just starting out, but eventually, like, more and more people are going to get attached to you. Like, Oh, I like that analogy. Yeah, and and the more that you show up as yourself, like, the more you're going to attract more of those same like minded types of people too. And your little, your little ball that you're talking about is just going to grow and grow and grow, you know, just organically, which is awesome. Okay, so let's kind of wrap this up. And I want you to give some sort of like, actionable tip. And maybe it's just to your quiz, I'm not sure but to wear it, to where our listeners can maybe kind of tap into their own rebel Miss and kind of start planning for themselves as a rebel, how can they do that? So I think first, you're going to want to understand whether you're kind of in that type A overachiever camp or that type be relaxed, creative camp. And then you're going to want to take it from there. So right are type a people are going to be the people who are scheduling every second of their day out. And if one thing comes off, the whole day goes off the rails, and then you get nothing done, and it's a spiral. And then it turns into shame. And then Tomorrow's the same way. And it's like, it's a very overwhelming situation. And so if you're in that camp, definitely, you want to scale back the amount of things that you schedule. So if it's not something that is self care for you, or it's not something that's an obligation for you. So that's if you have client calls, or meetings or anything you need to be at, on specific days at specific times, like Monday at 10, or Wednesday at three. None of that, like anything that isn't that does not go on your schedule. So don't say, on Monday at 11, I'm going to like, I don't know, clean my desktop, because of course, don't say that, because Monday at 11 might come around, and maybe your nine o'clock thing took a lot longer. And you're just you're you're setting yourself up to get behind quote unquote, when in reality, there's never really anything to get behind you just are, you're where you're at, at any given moment. So type a people if it's not self care, if it's not an obligation, don't put it on your schedule, put it on a to do list, and then pull from there, in between your self care and your obligations, take it off the list whenever you feel good. So you can choose whatever it is you want to do type be people, you don't have a over scheduling problem, you have an over to do listing problem. So for you, you tend to use your to do list, it's like a brain dump for literally everything that comes to your mind of things that you want to do whether now or at some point, stop doing that. So you're not over scheduling yourself. But I would limit yourself to what really would need to get done this week. What would need to get done this month. And if it's just a big project that's like at some point, then I would put that kind of in a separate notebook where you can come back to it for like the big ideas. But for you type Be creative people definitely just put the things on the list that are immediate, that you will need like that will actually move you forward in business or in life this week. So Oh, I love this. So basically, you're saying you want people to almost not compartmentalize but separate out the like my dues and the things that are like in the now, right, versus the things that you can pull from as they feel right. And as you have time? Yes. Because here's the thing with my creative people out there is, if there's a really big project, that is a Sunday thing, it will keep coming up and you will know when the right time to do it is. And just because you've had the idea does not mean it needs to be on your list right now. Because that's contributing to the bigness of it and the feeling like you're never going to get it done and you can't do it and you kind of shut down. So I would if you get an idea, and it's big, and it's not something that you can implement this week, put it separately. Because if it's really important, it's going to come back up. It's going to keep coming back up in your brain because that's how the universe works, you guys. Yes. Oh, this was such a good episode. Thank you so much. Megan, can you just let our listeners know where they can find you. So you can find me at my website, which is the goal designer calm. And you can take my quiz, the goal designer comm slash quiz and I'm on Instagram most of the time. That's where my main squeeze hangout is. I'm at the goal designer. And I'm over on Facebook too. But I pretty much just cross post from Instagram. I'm being super honest with you. So come find me on Instagram. Okay, that's perfect. Well, thank you so much for having me. 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